Will you be instituting club pricing (and rebates) as they have on fictionwise.com? I just researched the price difference in books between these two sites and the same book which is $14 on stanza.fictionwise (less a 15% rebate) is $11.90 on fictionwise.com (through club pricing) - plus I receive a 23.5% rebate at fictionwise.com which means the cost of this book after rebate is $10.71 at fictionwise.com vs. $11.20 (after rebate) at stanza.fictionwise.com. It really doesn't seem cost effective to shop at stanza.fictionwise when I get member pricing and rebates at the regular fictionwise store and I am hoping your pricing will be more in line with the other fictionwise site soon. Those little pennies add up when you are buying as many books as I do.
thx.
I'm using a 16gb IPT 2G and
I'm using a 16gb IPT 2G and carrying around lots of podcasts, courses, etc. and most of it is still empty! I couldn't even fathom needing 64gb!! :) But I suppose if you somehow have lots of video-- TV shows, movies, or every song you've ever listened to on it, that you might need more space! Or, as in your case, if there are two people's fun media on one device, that would need more room.
But ebooks, which take up little room, even an 8GB device would be more than sufficient!
Thank you very much,
Thank you very much,
But...the other consideration in costs
I did the same comparison and saw that the kindle books were about $5 less than the stanza books (before the 15% rebate). However, at $400 for a kindle, that means I would have to purchase 80 books before the kindle would start being 'cheaper' than stanza. The other problem, is that I would have to haul around two different items. Itouch for music and movies and kindle for books. Now I will only have to haul around one item. Add in the fact that I can use the itouch at any wireless location and it has internet capabilities that the kindle doesn't, on a cost benefit analysis, I am getting an Itouch. I will also say I am waiting for the 64gb version because I want maximum space to hold them. My daughters 32gb though is great and we both read books on it.
You can buy kindle books on ipod touch
You no longer have to haul around your ipod touch and a kindle to buy kindle books. There's a kindle application for the ipod touch (and it's free). It doesn't have a dictionary, or capability to email your books to your "kindle", or even transfer between the computer and the kindle (unless you have your ipod jailbroken and ssh into it like I do). But you can get the ebooks for cheaper prices if you're not bothered by reading only on the small screen OR being techy and illegally stripping the DRM.
re: costs of softcover, hardcover, electronic
Read through http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/02/the-once-and-future-e-book.ars for a look into the insanity.
e-books vs print books on Amazon
Don't forget to factor in the shipping cost from Amazon. Plus with e-books you get it immediately, and let's face it, not every book is worth the paper it's printed on. Some should just be deleted with the push of one button
thanks, but the prices are horrendous
It's not Stanza's fault, but good lord the prices for these ebooks are horrendous! $12.99 or $14.99 for something they don't even have to print and ship?!?!?!?!? AND it's locked down with DRM?? Shew, Fictionwise is asking for us to overcome a lot, when I can walk into my local bookstore and get a DRM-free book for much cheaper, or get it "used & new" at Amazon for even cheaper, and those are PRINT books that I can share with a friend.
Fictionwise has a long way to go before they'll get my money.
I applaud Stanza, however, for getting this implemented inside of their app...
Horrendous prices?
Mmmm... so just because it's an eBook, the publisher and the author shouldn't make any money off it, because they "only" make money on the printed books? (which are more like $27.99 these days, which makes $12.99 seem a bargain!) There's still production costs to be covered in the back-end accounting for ebook sales (their sales might keep the paper version from costing $42.99!) It's not a "no cost" operation that magically appears on the editor's desk in the morning, edited and composed by the eBook fairles. :)
Also keep in mind for every used book that gets re-sold and passed around (regardless of how "green" that is for saving trees,) the author doesn't get any royalties.
Even Adam West gets a nickel every time they re-run Batman ;)
Also - if you follow the Fictionwise marketing program over time, there are plenty of opportunities for getting reduced rate and even free books, through their rebate system (which works as a "house credit" you can use like cash on future purchases.) So the price you see might not be the "real" price you pay, depending on the promo, and how much credit you've built up over time in your Fictionwise account.)
Horrendous prices?
Actually, authors can make money off of less expensive ebooks just fine, thank you.
There is a company named Baen Books (a publisher of fantasy and scifi books) who have been selling non-DRM ebooks for $5-6 dollars each for *years* now (even when the same title in freshly released hardcover is selling for $25+). They are obviously making money, and so are their authors so the idea that publishers need to charge $15 to $25, or more, for an ebook to make a profit is absurd (and before you dismiss them as a 3rd rate niche seller, they have several authors who regularly make the New York Times Bestseller list).
Even using Fictionwise as an example, there is a recent title by Charlaine Harris (Dead and Gone) which is selling on the regular Fictionwise site for under $10 (even less if you are a member of their book club), so they *must* be making a profit for everyone (author, publisher, distributor) at that price point. Meanwhile on the Stanza Books by Fictionwise website the *same* book is selling for $26!?
The integration of the Stanza Books by Fictionwise webstore into the Stanza app makes using it extremely easy and quick and should be a benefit to *both* companies but if they expect to make a true success of it, Fictionwise needs to get the prices there in line with their own webstore as well as what other publishers are charging or people will just go elsewhere for their ebooks.
Pricing
Why should we pay $24.99 for an ebook when we could buy the paperback for $7.99? If publishers/authors could create a different pricing structure for hardcover (newly released) print vs softcover (about a year later) print, why can't they create a different descending pricing structure for e-books? New release hardcover-->new release ebook-->later release softcover-->bargain ebook. I always waited for books to come out in softcover before purchasing. It made more sense to me to get 3 softcovers for the price of one hardcover. I'd gladly wait extra time to purchase an e-book at a discounted price.
Publishers/authors don't make any money on books loaned from libraries, yet it's not illegal for a library to loan a book repeatedly without paying a royalty. And it's not illegal to loan a friend a book either. Yet, with all this loaning, authors and publishers still manage to make a decent living!
I'm all for authors and
I'm all for authors and publishers making money, but I think the author should get paid the same whether the book is sold in hardback or ebook while the publisher shouldn't get paid anywhere near same for a hardback (that they have to print and distribute) as for an ebook (which costs approximately nothing to copy and distribute).
It's not really Fictionwise's
It's not really Fictionwise's fault, either. Unfortunately, the cost of a book is determined primarily by the publisher, and most publishers are not currently making a distinction between prices for electronic books and prices for paper books.
We expect that publishers will eventually adapt their business models to the new distribution mechanism of electronic books. Until then, I'll be reminding myself how nice it is not to haul around lots of heavy books on my next vacation and how much money I saved downloading all those free books. :-)
We're glad you're enjoying Stanza. Thanks for your support!
So is amazon selling all
So is amazon selling all their ebooks at a loss while paying the publishers full price? It's not hard to look around fictionwise and amazon and find new-release ebooks that are around $30 (regular & stanza) / $20 (club+rebate) on fictionwise but $9.99 (ebook) / $20 or less (hardback) on amazon.
It has been speculated that
It has been speculated that Amazon is taking a loss on some of its electronic books. In any case, though, you should feel free to contact Fictionwise to ask them why there is a difference in price between their books and Amazon's.
Fictionwise is way too
Fictionwise is way too overpriced anyway. You can often get newer releases in hardback on sale from amazon for the same as (or even less than) what fictionwise wants for a collection of ones and zeros sent over the internet. There is no reason an ebook that isn't some specialized reference book should cost more amazon's $9.99 for new releases. Fictionwise needs to realize that it isn't 2005 any more and they have real competition now.
Fictionwise vs Amazon cost
I don't really think this is a fair way to compare the price of the books. Sure some people may like to have a hard/soft back copy of a book. The prices on Amazon are not something I even consider because I buy eBooks for a specific reason.. I carry them with me on my device where ever I go and I'm just not going to do that with a regular book. This is driven based on my reading style.. I often only get 5 minutes here.. 5 minutes there so I pop out my phone or iTouch and read.
Also keep in mind that Amazon
Also keep in mind that Amazon is the 800 pound gorilla of the "bookstore" world.
Like Walmart, they tell the vendors what they'll pay, instead of the other way around.
Then they sell ebooks at a loss (or close to it) to sell Kindles (which were sold out all through the holiday season - who got fired for THAT?) Once everybody has a Kindle (I'll pass - it doesn't even have a color display!) Then, prices *might* inch up.
I'm not sure, though: look at how amazon is going after the iTunes market by selling their music as DRM-free MP3 files that go anywhere. They certainly won't "kill" the iTunes store, but they'll jump up close to the top of music distributors.
I am relatively new to this
I am relatively new to this whole e-book thing. I have been keen on it but waiting until I had a device suitable for reading. Now I have the iPhone and it looks great.
But this price thing is astonishing and outrageous and to be completely honest STUPID. It reminds me so much of the music copying fiasco and mark my words the same thing will happen with ebooks as happened with music.
What on earth are these publishers thinking ? Do they really think intelligent people will pay the same price for an ebook as for a paper book on the hight street ? a paper book they can share with their friends and then sell or trade in ? Clearly what they are trying to do is make short term 'super profits' and to hell with down the line. This kind of greed will come back and smack them in the near future when people start to turn on to the ebook format and the hackers turn their eye to copying and unlocking books and then we will all simply download and share them - and the reason is the greed and short sightedness of the publishers.
I am a capitalist. I believe in profit and in business. But screwing the customer and gauging the customer in a market that is new and capable of astronomic future growth is plain stupid and dumb.
I saw a new fiction book on one of the ebook sites last night that I visited through Stanza, I think, and it was priced at about $25 !!!! how insane is that ??
I see a future fast approaching, if it is not already here (after a short session of google searching on torrent sites), when readers will simply bypass the publishers and go straight to 'illegal' sharing sites - and I won't have a jot of sympathy for them or the writers who allow them to charge these insane prices.
Saoir
Living in Canada and can't buy e-books from Amazon
Amazon currently won't sell their e-books to Canadian customers without a U.S. credit card and a U.S. address. I agree, Fictionwise is overpriced compared to Amazon but can't do much about it from Canada! I will be buying from Stanza.Fictionwise when the prices are more in line with fictionwise.com. Thanks for the update...I will be happy to see the prices and discounts being similar.
We are working with
We are working with Fictionwise to offer the same sorts of discounts, promotions, and rebates that are offered through the www.Fictionwise.com site. In the coming weeks, you can expect to see price parity in the vast majority of books, though we can't guarantee that the prices will always be exactly the same.
Hmmm
To be honest with you, if prices were greater at Stanza.Fictionwise.com, I'd still purchase there if it offered financial support for continued development of Stanza. The app is fantastic and is definitely the defacto ereader client on the iPhone and touch.
Thank you very much,
Thank you very much, oracle_ab! We're pleased that you are enjoying Stanza, and we hope that with the improvements we'll be making in future releases, Stanza will continue to earn your support.