Do we have DRM protected Adobe ebook support yet?

Does Stanza support abobe ebook with drm protection yet? Or not?
I was just about to buy a book in adobe ebook format after google searching and finding loads of news articles saying adobe ebooks were supported by Stanza:
http://www.lexcycle.com/press/adobe_DRM_support
You seem to have been publicizing this support in February.

But then I caught myself on and noticed that all the talk from adobe and yourselves was in the future tense. Has it happened yet? If not, there needs to be a fairly prominent notice saying it has not yet happened because the news articles give a different impression. Will this happen soon? We are getting close to half a year after the announcement.

If I can be permitted to editorialize for a second: I live in Japan and have tried to buy three ebooks recently only to find that geographical rights restrictions meant I could not buy in the US (where I usually order print books). Then I found this wonderful store - papy.co.jp - which allows me to buy English adobe ebooks in Japan... only to find that some very annoying DRM restriction might stop me getting the book onto my device. I know that I could almost certainly very easily download these books from a nefarious bittorrent but I want to buy them in a way that pays the people who made the book.

It seems as though, in their obsession with a few criminals nicking their stuff (they do it anyway) and in trying to squeeze a few more cents in one market rather than another, the publishers are stopping a real flood or orders from normal people who just want to buy into this wonderful new way of reading in a legitimate way. I find it incredibly frustrating. I can`t wait for iTunes to simplify this for me in the way they did music etc.. But the publishers (and Amazon) won`t like having the Apple behemoth in charge of their industries too, will they?

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Clarification

At this point in time, we are not supporting the Adobe DRM solution. This decision will be evaluated on a regular basis as we move forward.

We will continue to support DRM-free EPUB formatted books as well as DRM-free and DRM-enabled eReader (PDB) formatted books.

Neelan Choksi
Lexcycle

Sad

"Their buyout by Amazon in my opinion puts a serious dent in its future usefulness for anyone outside of the US." More than a serious dent. It makes it absolutely useless. I have always bought from Amazon. I would happily buy whatever format they wanted but they don't sell the Kindle over here and they don't let you download the kindle app on your iphone and they don't stock kindle books in their Japanese store. Crazy. I don't care whether it is Amazon, Apple or papy that I buy from but I just can't get these books on my phone.

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could be a big mistake ......

I have a couple of reader programmes for my iPhone and I have been getting excited about the flexibility of Stanza when coupled with the desktop version. (There are some glitches - see other posts, and I can't get heavily formatted pdfs to work ...). So I went off to see what I could buy online: immediately found at Booksonboard something I could do with for some research right now. Thought I'd check that Stanza coped with Adobe ebooks - mmmmmm. It said it would but it doesn't, and now it's been bought by Amazon.
As a UK resident I share the fears of those who think this is not necessarily A Good Thing. US copyright rules have already stifled one of the greatest innovations in music distribution and listening: Pandora, greatly aiding those who illegally download. The Amazon move - as noted by others - could easily go the same way. And DRM (given up by Apple, note) is nearly always bad for the user: the Adobe version of the book I want can't be printed, have text extracted, be downloaded to other devices (I use at least three computers plus iPhone at the same time) - what sort of ebook is that?
Get real publishers: the music industry mucked up (place stronger words here ...) big time. Just when we thought words would be unleashed along comes another antideluvian behomoth scrabling for every penny it can get .....
And in the way, what appears to have been a nice start up ebusiness ripe for the plucking. Of course guys you should take the money. But if you want to maintain your vision, run away with it as fast as you can.
Yours, sadly

An error, I think

Of course, these guys know a lot more about making money than I do. I only need to look at my bank account to work that out.

Also, I note there has been no clarification on this from people who actually know what is going on. It is quite likely that I am barking up the wrong tree and that Amazon/Stanza's strategy is freewheeling and positive.

That said, if they are getting involved in using format wars to boost Amazon's strategic position in the marketplace it seems like a very rickety strategy indeed. DRM is fine with me it if is aimed at preventing widespread piracy of books. But holding back on implementing Adobe Book DRM on Stanza seems not to be about that at all: DRM appears (and I stress "appears") to be being used in a very crude way to club consumers/publishers into reliance on Amazon (of course, there are other sides to the conflict too, Adobe etc., so it is wider than Amazon).

If the ebook reader market had been dominated by Kindles that might have worked but a coercive strategy is not going to work in the emerging ebook world because it is clear that Amazon is not going to be able to dominate ereaders in the way it might have hoped. Iphones and similar handheld multipurpose devices changed the game for a lot of people.

It is like herding sheep. If there had been one pen and one sheepdog, Amazon might have succeeded with its slow but sure Kindle strategy. But there are several pens and several sheepdogs. The shepherd with the largest pen and the largest number of sheepdogs is likely to have the best chance of winning.

Amazon needs to focus on making its pen free and easy to be in and getting as many people as possible in that pen asap. They are particularly messing up here in the international markets. The kindle platform, its very slow internationa roll out and their refusal to sell to non-kindle users seems to be stopping them from using iphone and other hand held platforms to get a secure footing in very large markets like Asia and Europe before a big rival organisation comes into confront them. My ever present thought is that if Apple came along with an free and relatively easy DRM/non-DRM policy on itunes ebooks and persuaded publishers that their paranoias about pirates (who are not going to buy anyway) are obstructing hundreds of thousands of sales to people who are just eager to get on with reading, then they would clean up .I buy music on itunes just because it is the easiest way to do it, not because of some coercive DRM strategy. I don't think about DRM because I am a legitimate consumer and I shouldn't have to think about DRM. I like Amazon. I like buying books from them. But they don't seem to want my custom.

Of course, I am rambling on about this without any hard statements from Amazon/Stanza so I am quite likely to be completely misunderstanding what they are up to.

Now that amazon own Stanza

Now that amazon own Stanza you can 99.9% say ADE (Adobe Digital Editions DRM) will never be implemented in Stanza. Amazon do not allow mobi DRM to be used on any device that uses another form of DRM. It's their way or the highway.

Wrong: most definitely
Anti Competetive: most probably
Will anything be done about it: Most unlikely

As much as I love stanza (it's by far the best reader on the iphone though the desktop app is pants) their buyout by Amazon in my opinion puts a serious dent in its future usefulness for anyone outside of the US

Adobe DRM

Waiting for the Adobe DRM support to Stanza, I think it is the best way for the Korean publishers to sell epub contents on Stanza.
I suspect that Amazon is holding Adobe DRM support for the Mobipocket DRM.
Please keep the promise of Feburary.

Mobipocket

What is Mobipocket DRM and why would that scupper the promise of Adobe ebook DRM support?

krischik's picture

Mobipocket

Mobipocket is an eBook company which Amazon bought 2 years ago. It consists of an eBook Shop and an eBook file format.

Amazon used the DRM from Mobipocket but changed the file format so Mobipockt eBooks and Kindle eBooks are now incompatible. Kind of of changed - there is a inofficial converter tool and it only has to change one byte.

Anyway if you want to know what the future hold for LexCycle the go to the Mobipockt forums (factual posts are not censored there):

http://www.mobipocket.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=9

Look for post with Amazon, Kindle, iPhone or Nokia 5800 in the heading. On multipage postings read the last page to get the newest info.

As it seems the We are not planning any changes in the Stanza application or user experience as a result of the acquisition from the blog means: "You are not getting anything new either" - Because this is what happened over at Mobipocket.

Martin

So they are riding only one horse?

Their idea is to ride the Kindle off into the sunset? Amazing.
Suppose we better head off to Adobe and ask them to buy/build an ebook reader app for iphone and other handhelds. Can`t be that hard.
Or Apple themselves?
I`ll be honest and say that if Kindle was put onto iphone in Japan tomorrow I would probably buy it and start buying ebooks at Amazon.jp. But this behaviour makes me very suspicious of the company that I would be buying all these books from. I have always trusted Amazon but I would be entrusting my entire new electronic reading bookshelf that I would be looking to build for decades after (and relying on them totally because they don:t allow me to really own the ebook in the same way I own my real books, download limits etc) to a company that appears to be doing this with Stanza etc.

Or you could wait and see

Or you could wait and see what they actually do (which has been nothing, good or bad, so far) instead of believing the rantings of every internet conspiracy theorist out there.

Sony has now gone completely over to epub

I have been holding off buying any ebooks until it becomes clear what format is the industry standard and what format is going to offer readers ownership of their books. I want something that allows me to own the books I buy and and that is cross platform compatible.

I feel I must have ownership of the notes I make on all books in a cross platform open format, which I can use and manipulate as I wish. I must also have the ability to access the books from several devices in my home, because if I am using this for research/writing I will probably be using multiple readers simultaneously. I must also have the assurance that I will be able to access all of my books forever on all of the readers I chose to buy. A bit like the assurance I feel I have from mpgs.

I am thinking epub is emerging as that format. I will only be buying epub drm books, I think, because I do not want an obsolete library in some format that I can`t use across platforms. I am hoping that epub will get more open, more compatible with the sort of paperless reading that looks like is just round the corner. If Amazon would only realise that they need to go wide open on this I would buy all my books from them because they are the company I have always bought from. I have my accounts set up with them. But if they don`t then I will be buying a Sony, signing up for another bookstore and forgetting about the decade when books meant Amazon. I don`t think I am alone.

krischik's picture

You are not alone!

I stopped buying at Amazon as well - including dead tree books - because of there eBooks strategy.
krischik's picture

Nothing is Bad

Sure, everybody must make there own mind up and past performance is not necessarily an indication of future performance.

However - have you noticed that "Lexcycle has been acquired by Amazon.com!" is still the most current blog entry?

Or that Staff does not talk about planned features any more?

There has been mention of the

There has been mention of the fact that a new release has been submitted to Apple and is awaiting app store acceptance. Not much detail, though, on what it provides.

Interested in this

Have you got a link for this mention of an update submitted to Apple? Interested.

True. That last comment did

True. That last comment did rather assume that Amazon was deliberately choking Stanza and the evidence is insufficient at present. I did say in my earlier post that I realised nothing was clear at present .

The mobipocket discussion forums, however, are quite eloquent. Lot of people over there seem to feel they have bought ebooks only to have them put in the technological garbage can. That can't be right.

Mobipocket DRM is basically

Mobipocket DRM is basically what amazon uses for Kindle books. He was saying that he thinks that Amazon will make Stanza implement that before they let them have Adobe DRM support.

krischik's picture

Mobipocket file format

Actually Kindle uses not just the DRM but the complete Mobipocket file format - just the embedded file type flag has changed so Mobipocket reader software won't read Kindle eBooks. And now look at the Mobipocket software page:

http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/default.asp

Now all those devices could read Kindle books as well - if only Amazon wanted to. And there is a finished Desktop reader as well with integrated shop, automated download and device sync. All what LexCylce want's to provide one day.

So of Amazon already got it all via Mobipocket - why buy LexCylce if not for Embrace, Extend, Extinguish Stanza.

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